Resite of PS 452
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PS 452 SLT Meeting
Thursday, April 20
4:00 pm - Room 232B
PS 452 General PTA Meeting
Tuesday, April 25
6:30 pm - O'Shea Cafeteria
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FAQs: PS 452 ReSiting
Information about the PS452 Resite
In Fall 2017, PS 452 will relocate to an elementary school building located at 210 West 61st Street at Amsterdam Avenue. The building currently houses PS 191, a school that is moving to a new site at West 61st St and West End Avenue. PS 452 will be the only school in the building, no longer sharing space with any other school.
We understand that many of our families have questions or concerns about this move. This document is intended to address many common questions.
How can I get information about what is going on?
The SLT has formed a Transition Committee to assist our community and to make the move as smooth as possible. The Transition Committee meets monthly and all are welcome to attend. We will continue to update this FAQ document with new information as we receive it. Be on the lookout for the latest news on the resite as well as Transition Committee meeting dates in the PS 452 News. The next Transition Committee meeting will be held on April 5th at 8:10am in the Science Room at PS 452.
Why was PS 452 resited? Why does PS 452 want to move to this new location?
The CEC3 voted to resite PS 452 in an effort to address a long-standing inequity in diversity in District 3 while providing additional Kindergarten seats to the students of D3. While PS 452 has thrived at the O’Shea campus, sharing space with two other schools has been restrictive, and the building is not ideally suited to younger children. The PS 452 administration and teachers strongly feel that the new building offers an opportunity to better serve PS 452 students and to grow to serve more district children.
Advantages of the building on W 61st include:
How will the move affect programming and curriculum, including after-school options and clubs?
School and after-school programming is determined by the school in conjunction with the School Leadership Team, and sometimes subject to PTA funding, so there is flexibility in planning moving forward. Immediate plans are to keep or expand the current programming offered.
Current programs and benefits that PS 452 will keep and/or expand in 2017/18 include:
Additional benefits in-progress include:
Additional programming currently under consideration includes:
How will PS 452 change in the new building?
Our mission and vision will stay the same -- hands-on learning, mission-driven learning, and inclusive pedagogy. We will have the opportunity to provide a pre-K program. We will remain a smaller school than our neighbors while increasing the level of diversity of our student body.
What is it about the new building that is exciting and we could talk about to get our kids excited?
It's built to scale for younger kids, so the flow is laid out easier. Pre-K and Kindergarten students will not have to navigate as many stairs to reach bathrooms, the gym, the cafeteria, etc. Cafeteria is adjacent to the yard. Pre-K and Kindergarten have their own play structure in the yard. Pre-K and Kindergarten classrooms have toilets inside rooms. There are water stations in classrooms. There are 2 science rooms that are developmentally appropriate. There is a media lab which is great for older kids. There will be a brand new constructed library for all students to use when complete. The auditorium was refurbished and is air conditioned. Having our own space will give us much more flexibility in scheduling events for our families to attend, thus alleviating current schedule hardships.
How will this move affect my child/ren currently attending PS 452?
We see this move as a great opportunity to take our current school and move it into a better, dedicated facility. Principal Scott Parker, his staff, and teachers support the resiting and we hope that all current PS 452 families will continue to attend our school. Regardless of their home addresses, all children who currently attend PS 452 will be eligible to continue attending at the new location through their matriculation to middle school, and we encourage you to come with us.
How will this move affect my younger child/ren that we are planning to send to PS 452?
Younger siblings of current students will be considered in-zone to also attend PS 452, even if their homes are technically zoned for other schools. Alternatively, families may elect to enroll younger siblings at the school to which their home is zoned.
Will the current PS 452 administration and teachers all go to the new location?
Principal Scott Parker and the current PS 452 teachers and staff all plan to move with the school, barring any personal circumstances that may present themselves.
What will happen to the students and school in that location now (on W 61st St)?
PS 191, its staff, and students will move into the new school building that is being built at 21 West End Ave for the start of the 2017-18 school year.
What happens to items bought by the PTA (e.g. smart boards, furniture, etc.)? Would they come with us to new location?
All furniture, smart boards, computers, books, and other items funded by the PTA belong to PS 452 and will move to the new location as needed.
How will I get my child to/from the new school?
To ease the transition to the new location, the DOE has committed to providing school buses for all current students and incoming siblings of current PS 452 families. Current 452 families who are out of zone will continue to receive busing service as well. Students who live at least a half-mile from the new location will have the option of subsidized MetroCards (instead of busing). The Transition Committee has requested further details on busing plans and will share information as soon as it is available.
The M57 bus picks up on W72nd Street and runs down West End Avenue, and the 1 train stops at W 66th Street.
Beyond official transportation assistance, PS 452 administration and parents are looking into various ideas for ways to make the trip to and from school easier and even enjoyable. Possibilities include on-campus bike racks, scooter parking, and meet-up spots for “walk pooling”.
Here is a link to the current guidelines for General Education Transportation Eligibility:
Please see the following link to a the DOE Transportation Commitment to Re-sited PS 452 letter:
Who will make sure my child gets off the bus and safely into the school?
PS 452 will have the same system in place we currently follow for students who take the bus. Staff member(s) are assigned to meet the children, take them off the bus and escort them into the building. At the end of the school day students are collected and taken to the bus by a staff member. School bus drivers will not drop off a child at a stop unless the parent/guardian/caretaker is there to pick up the student.
What time will school start and end in the new location?
School day is determined between our chapter of UFT and school administration. Several offices such as Office of Pupil Transportation will have to approve. The school day will likely start at either 8:30am or 8:40am and end at either 2:50pm or 3pm.
What if I don’t want to send my children to PS 452 at West 61st St?
No student is obligated to attend at the new location. Letters have been sent via kidmail to all families whose child has a new zone. The letter explains the process the family should follow in order to apply for a potential transfer to their newly zoned school and must be completed by April 7th, 2017.
Will the school have a dual-language program?
Dual language programs are driven by English language learners. There is no current plan to add dual language program to PS 452 curriculum. However, foreign language instruction is being investigated by the SLT as an additional benefit to our school for the future.
Will student teachers continue if there is less funding and enrollment in upper grades? Student teachers are not DOE or PTA funded. They are based on our relationship with Teacher’s College and we plan to continue using them when possible and available.
If the PTA is not able to raise enough funding this year, will the DOE cover the loss to maintain current enrichment programs?
If the PTA is unable to support, the school will reach out to corporations, try to negotiate rates with our enrichment partnerships, apply for grants, etc. with the intent of maintaining all the current partnerships we have today.
Will students still be able to receive ICT, SETSS, ENL and other special education services?
Yes. PS 452 will continue to serve general education students and students with IEPs. Additionally the resite location will have more space to provide specialized instruction and related services to eligible students.
Will the same staff provide OT and speech services?
The intent is for the same service providers currently serving our students to continue to work with them. They will speak to their supervisors as they may have to work in multiple buildings as many school service providers do.
How will a move affect the number of students who attend PS 452?
For the 2017-18 school year, PS 452 is expected to have two sections per grade in grades 1 through 5, and four Kindergarten sections. Each year going forward, the school will aim to fill four incoming K classes. Ultimately, PS 452 will grow to three to four sections in each of grades K through 5, for a total of about 675 students. There is no plan to expand PS 452 to a middle school. Additionally there is no limit on how small a class can be. The administration would love to have healthy and robust class sizes as usual but the DOE will not close a class section if there are students who need placement in that grade regardless of the number.
We will also add 3 pre-K sections of 18 students each. Pre-K admissions follow the same priority list as Kindergarten admissions, so siblings of current PS 452 students will have priority.
If all currently enrolled PS 452 families do not attend at the new location will teachers be excessed?
There is no need for any teachers to be excessed next year. The plan to add a K section and 3 pre-K sections means that there would still be at least 13 sections of classes even if an upper grade level had to drop to one section.
Will non-zoned students be accepted if enrollment is low?
As per current enrollment procedures already in place, the principal can work with the superintendent and Office of Enrollment to make offers to non-zoned families if desired. However, Principal Parker and Superintendent Altschul both prefer to keep class sizes and the number of sections in the upper grades as they are. The DOE is not looking to fill every one of the 32 seats in each class.
Is there an elevator in the new location?
There is no elevator in the W. 61st location. If a student is injured, cafeteria, main office and entrance are all on the main floor and arrangements would be made for that child during the period of time of their injury.
What is the process for the move and will the building be fully set up for the first day of school?
The DOE handles these types of moves regularly. PS 191 will get staged into their new building in July. The building will be cleaned, garbage removed and painted as agreed upon with the principal. DOE will provide boxes and handle the entire move process. Teachers will pack up their rooms at the end of the year as they typically do.
What is the budget specifically for the move?
DOE will fund all moving costs. School will not have to be responsible for funding anything related to the move itself.
Should I be concerned about safety in the new location?
All DOE schools maintain and enact a building safety plan for evacuation and lockdown procedures. The persistently dangerous designation of PS 191 has been removed and was the result of poor reporting based on inaccurate wording of incidents.
How many safety agents will there be in the new location?
Elementary schools are entitled to 1 safety agent.
Is there an estimated cost of relocation? How much of that cost will be covered by the Department of Education? Will the administration ask the PTA to help fund relocation?
We do not know the cost of a relocation, but any cost would be borne by the DOE with no effect on PS 452’s school budget. The PTA is not expected to bear any moving costs. PTA funding will continue to be used to support the school as it does currently.
How will the move affect our school budget? For example, will the cost of student transportation reduce any monies the DOE would be giving to our school for infrastructure or other necessary items that need funding?
Funding provided to New York City schools is allocated to each school based on the number and need level of students enrolled at that school. An increased number of students at PS 452 will result in a corresponding increase in the school’s DOE budget. The cost of Metrocards and busing are not considered and have no effect on our school budget.
What is the status of the water and PCBs in the building where PS452 will be relocating?
2 samples out of 132 had elevated levels. They were sinks that are not used for drinking water and were shut down and are being mitigated.
There are no PCB concerns according to the current Principal of PS 191 (currently located in the building where we will relocate) and our superintendent.
Will parents be able to tour the W. 61st St. facility?
Tours of the new facility are being scheduled for current families in early April. Stay tuned for more details.
Can families tour their newly zoned schools?
Reach out to the parent coordinator at that school to find out what arrangements can be made for you to tour.
FAQ for Teachers and Families
A subcommittee of the transition team, including parents, teachers, and Ms. Debucquoy, put together an FAQ document to ensure that teachers and families have a common language with which to answer children's questions about PS 452's move to the new location. You can find it HERE.
If you have additional questions that you think would be helpful to add to this list, please email them to the SLT Transition Committee @ firstname.lastname@example.org